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June 06, 2012

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Mychaeltodd

What a great part of history, I'm glad you take the time to keep us uplifted with the history of great men & women, who also was apart of the LGBTQ journey.

Corey

Thank you,kindly, Mychaeltodd!

Derrick from Philly

Hi, Corey:

I first read about Toney Jackson in this book called "Storyville" (I think the author's name was Rose). At the time I was fixated on New Orleans and its history. Well, of course that history includes Jazz and the city's strong African/Creole influence.

The author obviously had a great respect for Toney Jackson and his contribution to the only original art form created by Americans. To think a Gay Black man was the father of Jazz piano. You never know.

I have an ongoing argument with a friend of mine that openly Gay people existed in Black communities before the turn of the last century--even in rural areas. He says they couldn't have--the conditions would not have allowed such folks to be "open" about their sexuality.

But I say, yes they did, especially those of us who were gender role non-conforming. If there were openly "In-The-Life" people like Toney Jackson in 1900 how come they couldn't have existed in 1850. We finally came to a truce when he decided we probably did exist...but only in an urban settings like New Orleans or New York.

Corey, you've already done great articles about the female impersonators of the minstrel stage--many of them were probably what we now call Gay--and they were performing in the 1890s.

Child, please, we've been here forever, and some of us were out of the closet (I wouldn't have been able to get into any damn closet). Although, I would have made a miserable field hand. They would have had me in the big house doing Madam's hair. But hopefully I would have still been of some value when the revolt came against massa'. F.ck Madam!

Corey

As usual, Derrick, you're a HOOT!
Thank you for keeping the comments section ALIVE!

However, out of everything that you said here, I am struck by "I was fixated on New Orleans and its history. Well, of course that history includes Jazz and the city's strong African/Creole influence." I guess I should NOT be surprised! Sometimes, I have felt like a man obsessed if not possessed by all things "New Orleans" to the point of absurdity. It's strange, too, because I've NEVER been there and don't know that I will ever go there!

As for your friend, I think he has a valid point! I would guess the truth lay somewhere in the middle of your truce about the urban pockets of our (black) communities pre-1900, where being open may have been tolerated. But I don't think on the average, and certainly not on a large scale. I also think, like you, the balance is tipped in the favor of those who were more gender non-conforming.

I must also say that I'm often suspicious of the white gay community when they try to claim, embrace and even honor men of color like Toney Jackson as one of the "tribe" and for being so "out and about" when all the information isn't really there to begin with - and to the point of ignoring the trials of being a black man in America at the turn of the century. On the other hand, if it weren't for their embrace, we probably wouldn't know as much as we do now because the black heterosexual historians would be trying to hide the history with their "what does his sexuality matter/he was so brilliant" mess.

Bama

Always interesting posts from you!

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